This is the first ten minutes of the second hour of Lyndon LaRouche's interview on the Stockwell show, Sept. 11, 2001.
Stockwell: That ought to really give you some hope and confidence that George Bush Jr. would be directing a world war!
LaRouche: The myth of the thing about Pearl Harbor, was that Roosevelt planned it. You had some people who spread that myth. [cross talk inaudible] They say that because they wish to believe it. Not because they have any evidence. The evidence is quite to the contrary: The British had organized Japan, to bomb Pearl Harbor, to attack it in in a naval attack on Pearl Harbor, back at the beginning of the 1920s, when the British were allied with Japan against the United States, on the question of the naval power. This was the thing that Billy Mitchell talked about, in his court martial. He wasn't particularly liked for that. But what happened is, contrary to what the U.S. expected, because they did send the aircraft carriers out to sea, because of the tension with Japan at that point, in order not to put the aircraft carriers at risk from the Japan Navy. You saw what happened at Midway later, as a result of that wise decision.
Stockwell: Yeah, and the Coral Sea.
LaRouche: Some people would like to think that if you convince the American people that Pearl Harbor has been bombed again, that you can use that effect, which I saw on the streets on Sunday, that famous Sunday, December 7, 1941, you can use that event to mobilize the American people, particularly under the conditions of present denial and hysteria about the economy, and so forth, they can do something and mobilize the United States in a foolish direction. This would drive the world berserk. To think that you have lunatics in the United States, who would even threaten to go to world war over a thing like this. Instead, we should recognize we've made some mistakes and correct them real fast and cooly, with as little panic as possible.
Stockwell: I've got another one for you. The smoke in downtown Manhattan is clearing and there is no second tower.
LaRouche: That I can understand. It's awful, but, those of us who--
Stockwell: What response can the United States possibly have now?
LaRouche: The United States needs a Franklin Roosevelt, who will say we have nothing to fear as much as fear itself. Yes, we have things to fear, but nothing as much as fear itself. Nothing as much as panic itself. This is the time for cool heads. You do not win wars by panicking, by flight-foward. What I'm afraid of from this White House is, because of its very weakness, it would tend to go into flight-forward. What I'm afraid of from this White House is, because of its very weakness, it will tend to go into flight-forward. Actually, George W. Bush is not exactly a combat veteran. So, you don't expect him--I mean, he may have been in the national guard, down in Texas--but he's not the kind of guy you'd want in charge of a military major unit at time of war. You want somebody with a cool head. You want the MacArthurs at time of war. You want commanders like that. You want leaders like that, who do not blow their gaskets, even in the face of the most horrible penalties, do not lose self-control. I'm afraid that the people in Washington are going to delight and are having a sexual fantasy about losing self-control. They're going to pull out some kind of favorite horror movie and try to act that out as a scenario.
Stockwell: This advice, of nothing to fear but fear itself, goes right down to the last man listening to this program right now. We have people in Washington right now, I can see them sitting at a table, saying "We have got to have the President order martial law immediately."
LaRouche: Absolutely.
Stockwell: That kind of crazy thinking.
LaRouche: Absolutely. The worst thing they can do. It's the worst thing for the security of the United States to pull a stunt like that. Anyone who would do it has to be a real, certifiable, historical idiot!
Stockwell: What can be, what should be, the U.S. response in the next 24 to 48 hours to this?
LaRouche: I would hope that some of these guys get smart enough to call me up. Because there are people that I would think of as the kind of team that could be pulled together, as a special team, to advise the President and other institutions on how to respond to this. That could reach out to other governments informally, for the {informal} kind of cooperation which would make the {formal} cooperation work.
Stockwell: Alright, I've got a couple of people with some questions for you, if you don't mind.
LaRouche: Sure.
Stockwell: I'm going to go ahead and bring you folks on the air, along with Lyndon LaRouche. Ryan, you're on the Stockwell show. Ryan: Hi, Lyndon. It's exciting to talk to you. I really hadn't been introduced to your movement till I started listening to Jack Stockwell show, but I'm finding you have quite a few interesting things to say. Boy, Jack's been talking about this crap for a long time, and I'll tell you, it'll really scary. I wanted to see if maybe you thought that this was an oligarchical ploy, to gain power, at a key time. Or maybe this is just a random terrorist attack.
Lyn: No, it's not random. This is obviously a highly planned attack by a very capable agency. This kind of thing. If it is coordinated, as portrayed, and I see no reason to work on any other working hypothesis at this time; if it becomes less, fine -- be grateful. But this already is a horror show of the first magnitude. Ryan: Oh my heck, I can't believe it. I can't believe they even collapsed the tower.
Lyn: Oh, but this couldn't happen -- this is not amateur night. This is big. Therefore we need, the first thing we need is cool heads. Ryan: I agree. And that's what I'm afraid of. Just like Jack said, I'm afraid of them declaring martial law. I can just see it as plain as day, them saying they need to come and
Lyn: That would be the end [unc] for the United States. The United States could not take martial law. It would disintegrate. Ryan: I know they couldn't take it, and that's what I'm afraid of. I mean, omigosh, I can't believe how scary it is, if they... And I guess I just see them doing it, as plain as day, that's the thing that terrifies me.
Lyn: You get some Ku Klux Klan mentalities who would think that would work, but anybody who knows anything, knows that this country, right now, is morally very fragile. This country can disintegrate as a nation; it's very fragile, as a result of what's been done to it. Largely as a result of the entertainment that's supplied it. Look at what appears on television, other forms of mass entertainment... Ryan: And I think it's all been a ploy over the last 50 years by the oligarchy to obtain the power that they want over this country.
Lyn: Well, it's actually to change the world in a certain way. But I'm not drawing any conclusions beyond what I know, because I have to be cool at this time, because I'm vindicated, in a sense, therefore I have not got the luxury of indulging myself in any wild speculation. I have to be cool, and anything I say, I have to be right. Ryan: I'm glad that we have a person who's going to be...
Lyn: So, I'll say what I know, but I'm not going to leap to conclusions. I'm going to see what the facts are, but in the meantime I know the first is, keep cool, especially those who are in leading positions. Ryan: I agree. I appreciate your time, Lyndon.
Stockwell: Thanks, Ryan. What happened, what they're saying now, Lyn, is that the second plane flew into one of the structural corners of the second building, knowing that it would bring that... they think that's what brought the second one down, was that the plane --obviously, well, I don't know obviously, because I don't know either, but I would suspect that anybody that would be going to that kind of an extreme move, would have those planes loaded with sufficient explosives...
Lyn: ... Well, the fuel alone is something, you know. Shortly after takeoff, a fueled plane is a certain amount of explosive potential... No, I just think we've got to get more evidence on it. But obviously, what we know is that this is, doesn't conform to any coincidence of any kind.
Stockwell: ... When we come back, I want to talk about what the IDF would be trying to accomplish with an act like this.... [traffic break}
Stockwell: 23 minutes after the hour, my guest Lyndon LaRouche. I've often told you, ladies and gentlemen, that my source of information that I use relative to my radio programs, comes from a majority of sources from around the planet. Newspaper headlines out of Germany, out of China, out of Russia, out of South America, France, Italy, the British Isles. And one thing that is predominant in international media, that you do not see in the United States media, is the discussion of Mr. LaRouche and his ideas regarding a new Bretton Woods, individual state sovereignty, the end of this economic system, in the sense that it has to be completely reorganized, or, what has happened -- these are my words -- what has happened in Manhattan, what happened to the rest of world, financially. And I have often talked about that, I have given you phone numbers where you can check in the information yourself. I 've had information in my office that you can come by, in my clinic, that you can come by, to pick up additional information. And what is going on right now, I've been talking about 3 to 4 years, ever since my association with Mr. LaRouche, in the sense of the orchestration of events leading in this particular direction, to force the United States to come to war, in the MIddle East. And I've talked about that, I've talked about how I don't want to see my sons going to war in the Middle East, but I can't help but see that day materializing before me. Lyn, is the American government crazy enough right now, to have a war response to this?
Lyn: Well, try, stupid enough.
Stockwell: All right.
Lyn: Then, that's possible.
Stockwell: And who would they go shooting at?
Lyn: Well, they would just react.
Stockwell: More intensified bombings of Baghdad, or something stupid like that.
Lyn: Or some foolish thing. They would react out of stupidity. See, the problem here is, that years ago, we had certain criteria like industry, agriculture, science, physical reality. And therefore you ahd a population that would look at things in a practical way, in the way a progressive farmer, the way a small entrepreneurial industrialist would look at things, an engineer, and so forth. We don't have that. We have a population which lives more and more in fantasy land. And we have leaders who were selected. Look, let me be frank. I think this is a time we've got to be very honest, no strained politeness. Look, we had two idiots running for Prfesident as of, up to Nov. 7 of last year. One dumb, with a real bad combination around him. And you had the other one, who was a mental case, of a different kind, Gore. This is a fact. This is a reality -- this is not the time to be polite, or to be diplomatic. And therefore what happened is, the institutions, including the mass media, the moneybags of various parts of the country, put their money behind these two specimens. Now, I was the best qualified but put that aside. You had other people, like Kerry in Massachusetts, for example, and other people, who were more qualified -- they were sane. And even if they had shortcomings, if you put them in the Oval office, and put a good bunch of advisers around there, you might get a good process of government out of them. We don't. So, what we have is, is we have an American people, which sat there and watched, while what they knew to be a mental case and a dummy, were the only available Presidents of the United States, and anybody who understands what the presidency of the United States means, as an absolutely unique quality of institution on this planet, would realize the importance of having a qualified President in that office at the time when the financial crisis, the global monetary crisis, was inevitable. And these two clowns -- and Lieberman as well -- the vice-presidential candidate, didn't say a word, about the crisis, the financial crisis, which was then oncoming. People have lost 10s of trillions of dollars globally, from the collapse of this system. In one sector of the U.S. financial market alone, 3 trillion dollars, which hit a lot of poor people, as well as others, who were putting their savings there, hoping to get that extra nickel to stretch their pension -- that sort of thing. We have a bubble that's about to burst in real estate now. So, these issues are facing us, and nobody was paying attention to any of the obvious, massively obvious, real issues coming up. So, now you've got a population which, if you read the print press, you look at the so-called television news, of various kinds, including the stuff that's on this website, and you see absolute gibberish and idiocy. So what do you expect? The American people have no sense of what the reality, of what the real current situation is, and therefore you have leaders who don't even want to know what reality -- they want to have a fantasy. And it's extremely dangerous. We've got to get cooler heads together, now, and put some direction into this. But I'm really afraid of what would happen, if you leave the decision to be made in the hands of just the few who are the obvious ones right now, in power.
Stockwell: Well, this could... you know, I'm thinking that it's almost impossible for the United States to not do anything. You know, when you looked at what happened in Oklahoma City, nothing on this scale. Nothing against, I'm sorry for the people whose lives were lost and families and such, but this, if this is as bad as I think it is, what happened today, the United States can't just do nothing.
Lyn: Well, the United States, first of all,... the President of the United States, or someone who's next to him, who's intelligent, should immediately call President Putin of Russia. And between the two of them, they should talk to all the key leaders in France, Germany, Italy, and so forth. Japan, as well. Bring the Chinese in on it. The Chinese will have their own reaction, but bring them in on it. Through a group of leaders. And say, this has happened in the United States. You guys all know what this kind of thing means. Let's put this thing, this genie back in the bottle. And that's what has to be done. Then tell the American people you're doing it. Say, we are not going to allow this kind of situation, which obviously had roots, to continue. We and other nations are going to cooperate to bring this under control. That's what the American people have to hear from the President, or somebody around him, or somebody else in charge. Maybe Don Rumsfeld, maybe Powell, Colin Powell, has the... is the guy to deliver that message. But somebody's got to deliver that message now.
Stockwell: A conjointed effort, among the .... This is just in. Another plane has been hijacked, and it's en route to Washington, D.C. right now.
Lyn: They'll probably shoot it down now.
Stockwell: Well, they're going to have to. If they're aware of that, they'll have to shoot it down. Oh, my goodness.
Lyn: This is like the wildest of your Hollywood scenarios.
Stockwell: Well, I mean, Orson Welles, and his War of the Worlds thing out of New Jersey, back in the '30s. Could it have been any more real than this? This is absolutely incredible.
Lyn: I think there have probably... then, if this is happening... all the more reason for somebody to do what I suggested. Putin would accept a call, of course, from Bush. Bush, say he's calling on his behalf, put the right people on the phone. It's still daytime in Moscow, or evening time -- 10 hours difference. So, to call him right now. And to call the relevant people in Germany, France, somebody in London -- I don't know that that dumb Prime minister's any good for anything, but -- and Italy. And Japan. And China. And a few other countries. Consult with them. Set up a consultative arrangement. Say, we're going to stop this thing now.
Stockwell: Do we have the leadership, though, to support that? Do we have the orientation? I mean, we've got three different basic levels of thinking that exists inside Washington right now. You've got this Brzezinski-Huntington clash of civilizations kind of concept; you have Ashcroft and Armitage and that group; and you've got another group that's a little oligarchical in their design as well, in the sense of bringing everything in totally under control of Wall Street. You know, if you had... I mean, I can't think of a Sargeant York mentality in Washington.
Lyn: I think it's perfectly legitimate for... See the President of the United States has certain constitutionally inherent emergency powers. I would not really declare a national emergency -- that's probably the wrong thing to do, because it would activate the wrong things. But I would use the emergency powers of the President, and I would use the person of George W. Bush. He's President after all! Forget how he got there -- he's President. He has got to, as President, to enter into an emergency discussion, with prominent leaders of other nations, and to try to bring the world community more or less into agreement -- but quickly, and report that agreement to the AMerican people now. Preferably within hours.
Stockwell: To bring down that fear factor.
Lyn: To bring it down -- he's got to DO something for a change! This guy has done nothing so far as President! This is the time for him at last to shoot that bolt, and do something. All he has to do, he doesn't have to be a genius, all he has to do is call Putin. And I'm sure that he'd get cooperation from Putin, and would, on that basis, if those two powers, which are the former superpowers, come to an agreement, to bring other nations together as a consultative basis, what are we going to do stop this show right now, to make sure it doesn't get out of hand.
Stockwell: Exactly.
Lyn: And then report that back to the American people. That is exactly my druthers. That is what should happen within hours.
Stockwell: The numbers that are coming in right now between the two buildings -- 50,000 people worked in those two building --and they're showing a shot from teh Statue of Liberty right now, and you can not even see Manhattan, because of the smoke.
Lyn: This is a big one, somebody went for a big one....